Rudy Van Gelder, Engineer – Reviews and Commentaries

Looking For a Top Quality Jazz Record? Skip the OJC of Screamin’ the Blues

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If you see this OJC pressing in your local record store, best to skip it.

The sound is dry and bright. It’s passable, but it’s certainly not very good, and even the CD might be better, assuming you are willing to go through a number of discs until you find one that is mastered properly, assuming that there ever was such a thing.

Finding good sounding pressings of classic albums has never been easy. Here are some tips that may help you make more progress.

Original Jazz Classics

Some OJC pressings are great — including even some of the new ones. Some are awful. And the only way to judge them fairly is to judge them individually, which requires actually playing a large enough sample.

Since virtually no record collectors or audiophiles like doing that, they make faulty judgments – OJC’s are cheap reissues sourced from digital tapes, run for the hills! – based on their lack of rigor, among other things, when comparing pressings.

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This Is Why We Love Rudy Van Gelder’s Recordings from the 70s

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The really good RVG jazz pressings of All the Kings Horses sound shockingly close to live music — uncompressed, present, full of energy, with the instruments clearly located and surrounded by the natural space of the studio.

As our stereo has gotten better, and we’ve found better pressings and learned how to clean them better, his “you-are-there” live jazz sound has begun to impress us more and more.

Obviously the credit must go to Rudy Van Gelder for recording and mastering the album so well.

Contrary to what you may have read, the early-70s were a good time for Van Gelder.

All the King’s Horses from 1973 is an amazing Demo Disc for large group jazz.

But it only sounds good on the copies that it sounds good on, on the pressings that were mastered, pressed and cleaned right, a fact that has eluded most jazz vinyl aficionados interested in good sound since the advent of the LP.

But not us. We’ve played the very special pressings that prove the album can sound amazing.

The best pressings are spacious and full of life with virtually no distortion. Of special note, our shootout winning copy had amazingly articulate bass which brought out the undeniable funkiness of the music in a way that no other copy did.

There’s so much life in these grooves.

The sound jumps out of the speakers right into your lap.

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A Hopelessly Bad Capitol Reissue of Blowin’ the Blues Away from 1985

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Clearly this is a Must Own album from Horace Silver.

During our most recent shootout we ran into an early pressing that blew our minds.

Finding early pressings of Blue Note titles in audiophile playing condition is both difficult and expensive. Perhaps there is some other pressing worth a try?

Not that we know of, but we admit we have played none of the Heavy Vinyl reissues flooding the market these days. If you want to go that way, more power to you. Just don’t make the mistake of buying the 80s reissue that Capitol put out.

As you can see from our notes, it’s terrible — so thin, flat and dry.

It has the kind of sound we refer to as “modern,” and we do not mean that as a compliment.

CAUTION: Two of the pressings we played in our shootout were noisy, with a defective right channel. Both were mastered by Rudy Van Gelder. Unlike many of the other Blue Note titles we do, Rudy was still cutting pressings all the way into the White B Label era of the early 80s.

If you buy any of these later pressings, make sure you have the right to return them. The sellers who grade their records visually will not be able to recognize the invisible defects their pressings may suffer from and are unlikely to want to take them back.

Horace Silver Is The Man

If you don’t know the man’s music, this is a good place to start. It’s yet another triumph for engineering maestro Rudy Van Gelder – he refined a “live-in-the-studio” jazz sound that’s still fresh today, even after 65 years.

The really good RVG pressings (often on the later labels) sound shockingly close to live music — uncompressed, present, full of energy, with the instruments clearly located on a wide and often deep soundstage, surrounded by the natural space and cool air of his New Jersey studio.

As our stereo has improved, and we’ve found better pressings and learned how to clean them better, his “you-are-there” live jazz sound has come to impress us more and more.

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Letter of the Week – “Much more vibrance and tonal nuances making for a much more engaging listening experience.”

Hot Stamper Pressings of the Music of John Coltrane Available Now

One of our good customers had this to say about a John Coltrane record he purchased not long ago.

Hi Tom,

Even a 2+ [Super Hot] was enough to eliminate the 2021 Concord/AP [Analogue Productions] 33 RPM KPG [Kevin Gray] LP on 180 gram which was my copy until this Hot Stamper.

I listened to side 1 first. Well shit … it sounds clean, it sounds nice, a bit flat but that’s how I thought it was supposed to be, and sounds quite audiophile.

Simply put, the BR copy truly brings the music to life.

Much more vibrance and tonal nuances making for a much more engaging listening experience.

All I know is the BR LP destroyed the above to smithereens.

As always, many thanks!

Michel

Dear Michel,

You are more than welcome.  When you mention that you thought the album sounded clean, nice, a bit flat, you were in the same boat as all the other audiophiles who own these modern remasterings who have been putting up with their mediocre sound. Why?

Because they thought the recordings were at fault.

After all, Chad must know what he’s doing, he’s the biggest guy in the business.

And Kevin Gray must know what he’s doing, he can’t keep up with all the work these reissue labels are sending his way.

They’re the pro’s pros, right?

No, not right. Not even close to right. The opposite of right.

They are incompetent frauds that have the bulk of the audiophile community utterly bamboozled.

Even the worst of the Hot Stamper pressings we sell are worlds better sounding, and the way you can find this out for yourself, dear reader, is simply to try one.

UPDATE 2025

Our review for the 2021 Bernie Grundman-mastered Craft pressing of Lush Life will be coming to the blog before long, only two years (!) after Geoff Edgers brought one to the studio for me to audition.

Spoiler alert: I didn’t like it then — I told Geoff at the time that I bet it sounded worse than whatever CD might currently be in print — and my main listening guy, Riley, having played it in a recent shootout, didn’t like it any better.

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Listening in Depth to Fingers

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At times this record really sounds like what it is: a bunch of guys in a big room beating the hell out of their drums and singing at the the top of their lungs. You gotta give RVG credit for capturing so much of that energy on tape and transferring that energy onto a slab of vinyl. 

Of course this assumes that the record in question actually does have the energy of the best copies. It’s also hard to know who or what is to blame when it doesn’t, since even the good stampers sound mediocre most of the time. Bad vinyl, worn out stampers, poor pressing cycle, it could be practically anything.

Side One

Fingers

This is the most problematical track on the entire album — please DO NOT JUDGE the album by this song! The sound is much better on the tracks that follow. This may have been an attempt to get that hot hit single sound for track one, the kind that would jump out of your radio speaker, but the effect can be a bit much, depending on how low distortion and high resolution your equipment is. The better your system, the less of a problem you will have getting this track to play well. If this track sounds decent, everything after it will really shine.

The biggest problem one typically runs into is a lack of bass and lower midrange. On the better copies the bass will be fine on the next track and those that follow.

Romance of Death

The guitar work on this track is stellar, some of the best musicianship on the album. Credit must go to Rudy Van Gelder for making the guitar jump out of the mix. One of the things he can do, practically better than anyone, is make a lead instrument sound as big and as bold as you’ve ever heard it.

Merry-Go-Round

This track has a tendency to be overly compressed. Some stampers have so much added compression that the guitar and the percussion in the middle of the soundfield turn into undifferentiated muck. Those copies are what we refer to as “Not-So-Hot Stampers.”

Wind Chant

Side Two

Note that the sound on side two tends to be more open, rich and clear as a rule.

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Could This Be the Sound Audiophiles Complain About with RVG’s Mastering?

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A rare and expensive early mono pressing that we put into our most recent shootout was dreadful sounding.

Our main listening guy owns the record and made the note you see below, saying that his personal copy is every bit as bad.

The sound of the original was painfully midrangy and crude. It was not the worst of all the pressings we played, but it was nevertheless pretty bad, sounding nothing like our shootout winners.

We had a pressing on an early Prestige label in stereo, also mastered by Rudy Van Gelder, that was reasonably good sounding, earning grades of 1.5+ to 2+. It was sweet and relaxed, but relatively small and lacked the weight of the best.

For this music, we’ve found the best sound on the better Two-Fer pressings and the right OJC.

That Two-Fer budget reissue pressing, remastered by David Turner in 1972, can do very well in a shootout, but it can also fall far short of the mark on some sides, as you can see from the grades for these three other copies.

If you have the Two-Fer, how does yours sound compared to the four we auditioned (a shootout we were doing for the third or fourth time I might add), and how could you possibly know such a thing without a great many more copies at hand to clean and play?

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Song For My Father – Our First Shootout Winner

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UPDATE 2019

This commentary was written way back in 2008.

Since then we’ve learned a great deal about Blue Note and the work Rudy Van Gelder did for them.

Needless to say, we are now very big fans.

Most of the sonic complaints you see in our review from 2008 originated from our inability to clean the records properly, play them back properly, and to know which pressings and labels tended to have good stampers and which ones did not.

In 2008 we had a lot more research and development ahead of us, probably ten years’ worth. I thought I knew what I was talking about in 2008 with Song for My Father, but I clearly had a lot more to learn.

When we finally did hear some killer copies, we were knocked out by the quality of the sound.

Our Understanding in 2008

This is our first Hot Stamper listing for the album, and believe me, it’s not for want of trying. The best sounding original copies I had picked up over the years were far too noisy and scratched to be acceptable to audiophiles, not to mention the fact that the originals were (and are) replete with mastering issues that often exacerbate problems in the recording itself.

Trade-Offs

Having said all that, every Hot Stamper copy we found had its own mastering strengths and weaknesses — the tubey magic and fullness in the best originals isn’t really heard on the later pressings, but the later pressings have a clarity and freedom from obvious compressor and cutter-head distortion that makes them appealing in their own right, not to mention much better brass sound: more dynamic and less smeared.

Rudy, Nice Piano For a Change

One surprising finding was how good the piano sounds on the better copies. It has good weight, real solidity, and lacks that irritating “boxy” hard sound that you find on so many RVG recordings.

Pinched horns and boxy pianos are the hallmarks of most Van Gelder recordings; how on earth this guy is considered one of the greats is beyond me.

[Now of course we know better.]

We did this shootout after having played a few Contemporaries the day before, and the difference in the quality of the sound is nothing less than shocking. The Contemporary sound is so relaxed and musical, the RVG Blue Note sound so forced and artificial.

[Speaking of the piano sound Contemporary is famous for.]

But Contemporary never had the likes of Horace Silver in their stable of artists, and we love this music, so there was no alternative, we just had to dive in and hope for the best. And the best was pretty good.

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Sidewinder on the Liberty Label Might Sound Dubby and Weird

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The top copy from our most recent shootout went for $1500 and, in our opinion, was worth every penny of that amount, being one of the best sounding jazz records we have ever played

It probably took us ten years to get this latest shootout going, but the best copies we played were so impressive that they made all the time and money it took to pull it off worth the effort — what a record!

The copies that do not have VAN GELDER in the dead wax are very unlikely to be any good. The Liberty label pressing that we played in our shootout was minty and cost us a pretty penny, but the sound was No F***ing Good.

It’s yet another reason we don’t judge records by their labels.

Of course, as all our customers know, we judge records by one thing and one thing only: their sound.

Our shootout winner may have been a reissue, but it sure wasn’t one of those copies you can find on the Liberty label without VAN GELDER in the dead wax.

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Red Clay Is a RVG/CTI Masterpiece

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Red Clay is one of our favorite CTI albums – Red Clay (the song and the album) is Hubbard’s soul jazz masterpiece, and it’s a record that belongs in every audiophile’s jazz collection.

Lenny White drums up a storm on this album – on this copy he is playing right in the room with you.

If you’re a Hubbard fan, or perhaps a fan of early-70s soulful jazz, this title from 1970 is surely a Must Own.

We’ve recently compiled a list of records we think every audiophile should get to know better, along the lines of “the 1001 records you need to hear before you die,” but with more of an accent on the joy these amazing audiophile-quality recordings can bring to your life. Red Clay is a good example of a record most audiophiles may not know well but would benefit from getting to know better.

Hubbard was a master of funky jazz, and the song “Red Clay” is arguably the funkiest jazz track he ever committed to tape. At 12 minutes in length it is a transcendentally powerful experience — and the bigger your speakers and the louder you turn them up the more moving that experience is going to be!

The intro to “Red Clay” begins with a stylized free-form jam, sounding like a bop-jazz band of old, then takes form and solidifies into a groove of monstrous proportions. Ron Carter’s bass playing is stellar! It’s big and lively with tons of presence and energy.

5 stars: “This may be Freddie Hubbard’s finest moment as a leader, in that it embodies and utilizes all of his strengths as a composer, soloist, and frontman. [It] places the trumpeter in the company of giants such as saxophonist Joe Henderson, pianist Herbie Hancock, bassist Ron Carter, and drummer Lenny White… This is a classic, hands down.”

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Looking For a Top Quality Jazz Record? Skip the OJC of All Night Long

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If you see this OJC pressing in your local record store, best skip it.

The sound is dry and bright. It’s passable, but it’s certainly not very good, and probably the CD is better, assuming you are willing to go through a number of discs until you find one that is mastered properly.

To help you avoid records with this kind of sound, we have linked to others with similar problems on the blog.

Here are some of the titles we’ve found that tend to have dry sound and here are some that tend to have bright sound.

We’ve easily played more than a hundred OJC pressings in the 37 years we’ve been in the record business. Here are reviews for some of the ones we’ve auditioned to date:

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