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We Would Never Choose a Different Sound for Tom Petty than the One He Chose for Himself

Advice on Developing Your Critical Listening Skills

One of our good customers wrote to us about the trouble he has been having getting Bella Donna to sound less “cold, steely, sharp, harsh and edgy.”

I believe this comment was originally left on Robert Brook’s blog. I thought it merited a serious response, mostly a defense of why it’s important that some records must sound the way they do whether we like that sound or not.

Peter’s post:

I am sure I do not judge records like you do. I regard listening as relaxation – while your opinion leaders Tom Port and also Robert Brooks never stop to emphasize that the “real men” never lean back and always keep searching for the next 1 percent in sound quality. That’s too fatiguing for me, I am just too lazy.

Peter, a few thoughts:

I should right off the bat that we have never looked for, nor found, a 1% improvement. We’ve found 10%, 20%, 30%, and we’ve found it many, many times over. The difference between the way our system sounds now and the way it did even five or ten years ago is huge.

Look at Robert Brook and how far he has come in five years. He would say his system now is two or three times better. 200% or 300% better. That’s what it feels like when you make the big breakthroughs. Sometimes you can go years without a breakthrough, but then you make one and find out just how much farther you could go.

I do have a special allergy for sharp, edgy, metallic, electronically distorted, or grainy sound. This means that – when e.g., the vocals sound natural and breathy and the music sounds fresh, energetic and lively I am already very happy – and prepared to sacrifice other ” goodies” like ultimate detail, space and air or the very low notes. All ’n all, I am very happy with most of my BR purchases.

There are a few BR purchases that I cannot get to sound “right.”  The most striking example is Stevie Nicks “Bella Donna.”

I have tried many things. I have changed the turntable, tonearm, cartridge, phono pre-amp, cabling and VTA. Whatever I try, her voice and the lead guitar continue to sound cold, steely/sharp, harsh and edgy. Stevie’s voice on this record is SO different from her voice on “Rumours” that she seems to be another person (my copy of “Rumours” is not a BR pressing but a very nice sounding first “Los Angeles” pressing).

Bella Donna is the key to the problem in my view. What you have in Bella Donna is the kind of recorded sound that, when played back on your system, you find not to your taste. You want the sound of Rumours, but Bella Donna will never have that sound.

Shelly Yakus and Jimmy Iovine make edgy, lively records. Stevie Nicks wanted that sound for her first solo album and that is what she got. The album went to Number One on the Billboard chart and has been certified 4x Platinum by the RIAA. Audiophiles were not the intended audience. People liked the sound of the hits they heard on the radio, so they went out and bought her record. They were no doubt very pleased with their purchase.

The lively, edgy sound is also the one Tom Petty wanted for his records, which was an equally wise move on his part because the records he made with their help sold in the millions too. Here is an excellent example of what I am talking about. I have no problem admitting that I couldn’t play his records right until about 2014 or so, this after being in audio for forty years.

Tom Petty likes clear and lively, not rich and smooth. Our best copies get that sound right. We would never choose a different sound for Tom Petty than the one he chose for himself.

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Letter of the Week – “Oh my god can I hear what I am missing on all of the other nonsense.”

More Hot Stamper Pressings of Albums with Stevie Nicks Performing

One of our good customers had this to say about some Hot Stampers he purchased recently: 

Hey Tom,   

Well one thing I know for sure is the record matters A LOT. I have a handful of White Hots and oh my god can I hear what I am missing on all of the other nonsense. Even my Super Hots beat all of my other average stuff.

For example, my White Hot of Bella Donna is so far over the top of sounding like she is heard in the room that it’s scary. Same with my Bob Marley and Tom Petty. But I’m guessing they could be even better. I’m gonna update my cartridge and phono amp soon.

I noted:

The problem with audio systems is that you are always flying blind, never knowing what you are missing until you hear it.

Again, more evidence to support the popularity of mediocre Heavy Vinyl.

TP

He added:

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Stevie Nicks – Bella Donna

Albums with Stevie Nicks Performing

More Fleetwood Mac

  • With KILLER Shootout Winning Triple Plus (A+++) sound or close to it throughout, this vintage pressing could not be beat – fairly quiet vinyl too
  • Both of these sides are punchy, big and clear, with plenty of hard rockin’ energy – exactly what you would expect from the team of Shelly Yakus and Jimmy Iovine
  • Two of her biggest hits are here (and they still hold up): “Stop Draggin’ My Heart Around” and “Leather and Lace”
  • 4 1/2 stars: “Equally engaging are less exposed tracks like the haunting “After the Glitter Fades.” Hit producer Jimmy Iovine wisely avoids over-producing, and keeps things sounding organic on this striking debut.”
  • If you’re a Stevie Nicks or post-1974 Fleetwood Mac fan, this title from 1981 is surely a Must Own
  • We think this is the Stevie’s best sounding album. Roughly 150 other listings for the Best Sounding Album by an Artist or Group can be found here.

It’s easy to hear what the good pressings are doing. They’re big and rich, never thin nor harsh. They open up on the top end and go down deeper on the bottom. They’re smooth and full-bodied in the midrange. Stevie’s vocals are breathy and present. The energy of her performance drives the music the way you want it to.

In short, the better copies demonstrate the sound one could expect on a good Tom Petty album. Nothing surprising there; this album, like Petty’s, was produced and engineered by the same team, Jimmy Iovine and Shelly Yakus. They’ve made some great records together, Damn the Torpedoes being the best of the bunch for sonics.

Bella Donna may not reach those exalted heights, but it’s still quite good, especially for 1981. As the decade wore on things went south very quickly, sonically and musically, so we must be thankful that this record came out early in the decade and not much later.

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Bella Donna – Speculate Shmeculate

Hot Stamper Pressings of Stevie Nicks’ Music Available Now

The sound of the typical copy can best be summed up in three words: thin, hard and bright.

When the sound is thin or hard or bright, the fun factor of this mainstream rock, at least for us audiophiles, drops to zero.

Stop Draggin’ My Heart Around and Leather And Lace both sound great on the radio, why not on Warners vinyl?

We sure can’t blame Sheffield Labs, the original cutting house: all the copies we played — good, bad and otherwise — were originals and mastered by them.

Could it be the vinyl?

It could. It could be a lot of things, but speculating about them doesn’t really get us (or you) anywhere, so I’m going to stop doing it and just say we played a big pile of records and heard a lot of unpleasant sound. If you own the record you probably know what I’m talking about.

Our Approach

In order to do the work we do, our approach to audio has to be fundamentally different from that of the audiophile who listens for enjoyment. Critical listening and listening for enjoyment go hand in hand, but they are not the same thing.

The first — developing and applying your critical listening skills — allows you to achieve good audio and find the best pressings of the music you love.

Once you have a good stereo and a good record to play on it, your enjoyment of recorded music should increase dramatically.

A great sounding record on a killer system is a thrill.

A Heavy Vinyl mediocrity, played back on what passes for so many audiophile systems these days — regardless of cost — is, to these ears, an intolerable bore.

If this sounds arrogant and elitist, so be it.

We set a higher standard. Holding our records to that higher standard allows us to price our records commensurate with their superior sound and please the hell out of the people who buy them.

For those who appreciate the difference, and have resources sufficient to afford them, the cost is reasonable. If it were not we would not grown to have a staff of ten doing the work we do. We would have gone out of business years ago. Businesses that do not satisfy the needs of their customers do not stay in business for long.*

Hot Stampers are not cheap. If the price wasn’t more than justified by the better sound quality and quieter surfaces, who in his right mind would buy them? We can’t really be fooling that many audiophiles, can we?

Some folks think the whole Hot Stamper thing is hogwash, a case of mass hysteria, a psychological syndrome that does exist and cannot be ruled out as a possibility. Maybe our customers are as delusional as most forum posters think they are.

Keep in mind that virtually none of the folks who write about us have ever heard one of our records, so that should help you decide how much confidence you should put in whatever explanations they might have to offer.

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